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Post by ToriKitt on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:01 am

I was telling my brother this morning about some of my recent interactions with Loki, and he brought up a question. He seemed kind of hesitant, but he said: "
If a god was angry with me, they might tell you so you could tell me, right?"
And I said I had no idea, but possibly, but that it seemed more likely they'd tell him directly, give him a sign, or something, because there's no reason to tell by proxy if they don't need to. He then said he'd been writing about the Greek gods, making a play, and it includes a fictional interpretation of the story of Poseidon and Medusa, and that it's NOT in a positive light for Poseidon. He said he thought he might have gotten a sign that Poseidon wasn't happy with him. I have NO idea about that, but I said I supposed it was possible, but that if the gods had a problem with being written about negatively to a dangerous extent, no writer would be alive who's ever touched them with a 10-foot pole.

I was worried though because he was about to leave for classes, and he said "
So they wouldn't, like... cause a car crash or anything?"


Which made the hair on the back of my neck stand up even though I don't think that would ever happen, and I told him so. I told him again that I thought there was nothing wrong with writing about the gods, and that if you don't believe in them being real, I doubt they'd interact at all, but that if he DOES believe in them, they might try to "
talk"
to him, or give him more signs. I don't know the extent of his spirituality or lack thereof, so I was kind of at a loss. I tried to reassure him that they wouldn't hurt him or do anything awful for him writing a play. He's my older brother by a year, so to see him anxious about that was really scary for me. :/ I did also tell him that there's no getting around the fact a lot of the Greek gods are or have been pricks at some point or another, and I don't think they have room to get prickly about it being pointed out. Think of all the people who believe in Loki, but believe he's really bad news and hate him. They're still breathing just fine. No one's obligated to honor all gods just for being gods.

I'm a little concerned though because I wish my poor brother could have peace of mind. He's a strange soul, and often disbelieves things I find very real, so it surprises me when he does seem vulnerable, especially about metaphysical things. Anyone have experience with talking to friends / family about the gods, and particularly, about being scared of them?

Oh and I guess as a sub-question, anyone worked with Poseidon and / or worked with a god that you have big beefs with (such as rape in the mythology, etc.) and how do you cope with that? I know I have things I'm not thrilled about in stories about Loki, but nothing that's the type of offense that would put me off completely. I just feel like there might be a difference between working with a god with flaws and working with a god with flaws you can't come to terms with. How's that gone for any of you?

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Post by Lokakisa on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:43 am

I'm not sure how it's written in the original Greek, and what the ancients thought of it, but in modern eyes the story of Poseidon does not put Him in a good light. As you said, many of the gods, from many pantheons, have been jokingly (or not so) called dicks. And again, as you said, he wouldn't be the first author to write negative things, or at least things as how he sees it in modern context. (there is a fiction book called "
Gospel of Loki,"
which writes a very stupid attitude towards Sigyn...)
This is where cultural context comes into play;
how did that culture feel about the sexes and gender roles, for instance? (which explains quite a bit about Norse stories at any rate)
Most stuff from lore needs to be taken with a grain of salt, the source needs to be considered, was it propaganda or mere entertainment?

I myself, in a personal Marvel-related fantasy I had in my mind, thought of Set calling Loki a dick but Odin "
is the biggest dick of them all."
But I think even devotees will acknowledge the faults of gods like Odin and Zeus, Who are perhaps the most notorious.
Reiterating another of your points, gods like Loki and Set are frequently cast as villains in fiction.

Modern story-telling is our new mythology;
it is an extension of the oral tales told 'round a fire and so forth. Even contemporary cultures would bash the gods of others or cast Them in a bad light, i.e. look what Christianity and radical Islam has done.

The fact that your brother feels concern, and perhaps apologetic, shows respect to the gods. I'm sure They understand this oldest form of entertainment. Things are put into stories to illustrate the societal boundaries of the respective culture, regarding manliness, the "
place"
of women, homosexuality, tradition, inheritance, explanation for natural occurrences, etc. etc. None of the gods are happy and fluffy glitter-puking unicorns, They all have a dark side. The Greek gods especially are known for the jealousy and tempers. On the other hand, one little play amongst thousands of written works is barely a blip on the radar.

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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:13 am

Lokakisa wrote:The fact that your brother feels concern, and perhaps apologetic, shows respect to the gods. I'm sure They understand this oldest form of entertainment.

Yep, I agree. And I really don't think any of the Gods would go so far as to cause bodily harm to someone, even if they didn't like how someone wrote about them in a story. They might show displeasure by crashing the computer it's being written on, or maybe They'd 'inspire' a different story line via a muse or something. In my experience, and I think Erin has had this happen to her as well, if They don't want you to write and/or post something, They'll cause errors, knock out your internet, make your computer shut down for updates, stuff like that.
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Post by Corannhena on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:18 am

That reminds me of a post I was going to make on my Lokean Tumblr blog not long after first making said blog. I'd gotten it nearly all written out and then--BSOD. I hadn't saved it as a draft at any point, either. And then I couldn't remember ANY of it. :/ I was never able to, either.
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:20 am

Guess there was something in it that He didn't want you to say. O.o
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Re: Causing bad things to happen

Post by ToriKitt on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:27 am

Thanks guys, I feel the same about pretty much everything y'all have said. I want to talk to him about it again a little, and really focus on the fact that positive things can come from his recent interest in the Greek gods. This isn't some horror movie with possession and revenge-ghosts. It's real life, and the gods might not like what humans do, but they're not going to go on a killing spree over it. They're much more likely to reach out, if they really don't like it, and let him know different parts he can focus on, or more insight into what's there. I think his interest, even in the dark parts, is a good sign, if anything, and as was said, his concern about how he portrays things really can't be anything but a sign that he wants to be respectful. I'm sure he'll be more than fine, and something good may even come of this, if he finds that he connects with anyone or wants to interact more directly in the future.

Oh yeah, and I've had the BSOD thing happen. Well, almost. My computer shut off completely, just zapped, done, off, in the middle of trying to talk about a hairy subject that I really needed to remove myself from and calm down first. Haha, zapping the computer off kind of flared my emotions up more, rather than helping me stay calm, but after the initial "
REALLY!??"
it did give me the breathing time I needed to be collected and open-minded.

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Post by erinlale on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:53 pm

While I was writing Some Say Fire, especially early on, I was afraid what I was writing would offend the gods (especially the gay parts.) But they gave me signs of approval when I asked for them. And that helped me develop closer relationships with them, and eventually get to the point where I could just ask them things and they'd tell me.

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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 pm

erinlale wrote:While I was writing Some Say Fire, especially early on, I was afraid what I was writing would offend the gods (especially the gay parts.) But they gave me signs of approval when I asked for them. And that helped me develop closer relationships with them, and eventually get to the point where I could just ask them things and they'd tell me.
When I wrote my little short story, I wrote Loki and Fen as getting mowed over by Loki's little kid. It was all in humor and I felt a sense of amusement from Them. I did base the kid loosely on my daughter, and as well as They know her, I think They found it cute. So, yeah, even if it doesn't necessarily portray Them in the most favorable light, I think They sometimes appreciate that we took the time and put the effort into writing something about Them. Here's a link for the story, if you want to have a peek.
[url:3o3g1odo]https:
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Post by erinlale on Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:54 pm

Cute!

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Post by ToriKitt on Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:30 pm

Haha, that is cute. :3 I generally agree with y'all, I think writing is usually something that's positive, even when the material might not be, because it's focusing on the Gods and taking time to consider them. And I can definitely see why more humorous pieces would be a hit with certain Gods. :;
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:52 pm

Thanks! Smile
I prefer humor anyways. It flows easier. :;
): And the best part of this little story is that Fen saves the day. Very Happy
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Post by Just.Christine on Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:53 pm

journeyintoinsanity wrote:
Lokakisa wrote:The fact that your brother feels concern, and perhaps apologetic, shows respect to the gods. I'm sure They understand this oldest form of entertainment.

Yep, I agree. And I really don't think any of the Gods would go so far as to cause bodily harm to someone, even if they didn't like how someone wrote about them in a story. They might show displeasure by crashing the computer it's being written on, or maybe They'd 'inspire' a different story line via a muse or something. In my experience, and I think Erin has had this happen to her as well, if They don't want you to write and/or post something, They'll cause errors, knock out your internet, make your computer shut down for updates, stuff like that.

I've had this happen and just keep doing what I want anyhow. Laughing
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:03 pm

You're such a rebel! XD
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Post by Just.Christine on Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:55 pm

journeyintoinsanity wrote:You're such a rebel! XD
Heheheh. It's my own version of my son collapsing and going limp in the grocery store so he has to be dragged along, legs limp.
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:28 am

Aw, man. Yes. Moms are all too familiar with that tactic. The old 'sack of potatoes' routine. I'm one to dig in my claws and fight it every step. Like the cartoon kitties that get dragged and leave gouges in the floor with their claws. XD I just got an image of a wet cat. I think Someone's comparing my tantrums to being as pissed as a wet kitty? Laughing
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Post by ToriKitt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:59 am

LOL oh dear. My niece used to do that routine. I used to leave trails of notes for her to crawl and then walk along and read until she was on her feet. :3

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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:52 pm

Aw. I used to try the distraction bit. It quickly stopped working. Now I just throw all 50 lbs of her over my shoulder and get on with it. XD
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Post by ToriKitt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Haha, yeah, after a while they either A) get bored of it or B) like it so much they do the sack-of-potatoes routine on purpose just so you'll distract. Carting them off is always a good fall back plan. Razz

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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:57 pm

Yep. Momma ain't got time for that crap. Same reason why momma cats carry their kittens by the neck scruff. Come along, no time for misbehaving. XD
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Post by Darkamber on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:27 am

I seriously doubt the gods would bother to cause something bad to happen to everyone who writes something negative about them.
So tell you brother not to worry. :-)

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Post by ToriKitt on Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:35 pm

Thanks.

He seems more or less reassured. ^^

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Post by erinlale on Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:03 pm

How many times has Marvel said Thor wasn't worthy? It wasn't just int he movie and the new she-Thor, it goes all the way back to the frog and Beta Ray Bill. I think if the gods were goign tobe offended it soemting it would have been something like that. But Thor actually liked that movie (it rained every time it played locally. This is the Mojave Desert. It doesn't just rain for no reason.)

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Post by ToriKitt on Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:23 am

LOL that is an excellent point.
And yeah, I've always felt warmly towards those movies, whenever I thought about how it was received by non-mortal folk. I think the attention outweighs any minor offenses.

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Post by Lokakisa on Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:31 am

When you think about it, any press is better than no press.
So having the gods pop up more and more in fiction helps to bring Them out into our collective conscious. The Marvel movies really helped with that big-time.
Those who want to work with Them will take the time to research. Those who just enjoy the entertainment, well no harm there, they'll just file it away as "
a comic book movie"
or "
something roughly based on history."

The "
Vikings"
tv series helps too, though they don't focus on the gods much. But Loki doesn't get treated like a villain.

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Post by Corannhena on Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:37 am

Speaking of the gods in media, I haven't watched more than a few episodes of it, but someone said on Facebook that in the How To Train Your Dragon series, Ruffnut and Tuffnut have started following Loki for their main god. I haven't yet watched any recent eps to see if it's true, though. (I adore the first movie, but the episodes of the series that I saw were just kind of "
meh"
for me. Plus, it bugs me that Toothless' sclerae are white and not green. >
:/ )
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