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Post by erinlale on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:59 pm

One of the things that bothered me for years is that when I joined the group I wrote about in my series of posts titled Good Knowledge, Bad Teacher, I was not only required to take a kindred oath, which was easy to be released from-- I was "
set wretched"
by having my tie untied from the kindred cord -- but I had also taken a blood sister oath, I thought. The person in question became an enemy who stalked me. I managed to cut off contact with them when I moved to Nevada, but it always bugged me that I still had that connection.

Recently I found out they had not known how to do it right. The real blood brother ritual involves actually touching each others' blood, cutting the arms and pressing them together, mixing blood in our actual bodies, not just letting both peoples' blood fall onto the earth. We had not done it right, and I was never that person's blood sister. I am so relieved! The way we had done it, all I really did was make a sacrifice of my blood to the earth. This is such a huge relief to know! I am not wyrd-tied to that person after all.

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Post by Just.Christine on Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:08 am

I bet that's a huge relief! The blood oath you mention is the "
politically correct, AIDS aware blood oath"
personally I don't think that type of oath holds water the way the other method does, pressing the cuts together. If I were to do something like that, I'd make sure we were both AIDS tested. Things worth doing are worth risk, but risk needn't be reckless.
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:16 am

Thank goodness! Sometimes "
doing it wrong"
is a good thing. Smile
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Post by erinlale on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:22 pm

Yes, indeed!

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Post by Just.Christine on Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:55 pm

What does it mean to be set wretched? Is it like spending time with low status, like a thrall, until you prove yourself or something? I've read some groups do that before they let people come into their groups.
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Post by erinlale on Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:20 pm

No, it's the opposite, "
set wretched"
means allowed to leave, released from all oaths, all ties cut.

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Post by Just.Christine on Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:53 pm

sort of like dishonorable discharge is what the name sounds like. "
Yeah, you're free to go but you're wretched"
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Post by erinlale on Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:33 am

Yes, that's pretty much it. Because the leader of a group like that is always assumed to be right about everything, so if he's a f**cking r**ist it must be my fault. That's the logic.

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Post by Just.Christine on Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:23 am

I don't understand wtf is wrong with these Heathens! They're like the fucking stain on the Pagan community. The only difference between them and far-right conservative fundie Christians is their gods! sheesh!

I know they prefer to be seen as apart from the rest of the pagan community in general but did they have to swing so far right they practically rub butts with right wingnut Christians, lol.
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Post by Moon Rouge on Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:44 am

Ahhh I may be wrong, but aren't all Lokeans automatically Heathens, because Loki is Norse and therefore Germanic god?

I guess you can join the wrong group, it is pity when one finds too late.
It is good you got out of there, Erin, wretched or not, whatever they call it. Stick and stones, you know what I mean, you are free.
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Post by Corannhena on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:12 am

Personally I consider myself Lokean but not Heathen. (Also don't really consider myself any of the -tru religions [or whatever word you wanna use], e.g. Asatru) Also, since Poppy said "
these Heathens"
I'm guessing she means just those particular ones, not Heathens in general (although there are a lot of "
bad apples"
, if you will, in the Heathen community. I try to avoid those.)
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Post by journeyintoinsanity on Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:24 am

Moon Rouge wrote:Ahhh I may be wrong, but aren't all Lokeans automatically Heathens, because Loki is Norse and therefore Germanic god?

I've joined a local Heathen group that seems mostly Asatru, but still pretty open. I don't consider myself Heathen, really. I've just been referring to myself as "
Norse pagan Lokean."
(But as I've just discovered which witchy path seems right for me, I have to add "
newbie hedge witch in-training"
to that. Quite a mouthful.) Smile

And Christine said, "
I know they prefer to be seen as apart from the rest of the pagan community in general but did they have to swing so far right they practically rub butts with right wingnut Christians, lol."
The mental image that sentence conjured up, hahaha! (Wait, do I hear "
Pour Some Sugar On Me"
playing in the background?) Laughing
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Post by Lokakisa on Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:47 pm

Well, from what I've read, "
Lokeanism"
is kind of like a branch of it's own.
There are Lokeans who worship Him alone (and maybe His family).
There are Lokeans who consider themselves Asatru/Heathen/Northern Tradition. etc.
There are Lokeans who worship other pantheons alongside - Celtic, Greek, Egyptian, etc. ("
eclectic,"
"
multi-path,"
what have you)

I, uh, still don't know what to call myself. I'm not divorced completely from Kemeticism, but I feel like I'm in a finding-my-(European) roots phase.

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Post by erinlale on Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:42 pm

The ignorant asshats who call themselves Asatru and reject Loki, driving *actual Asatruars who do it like they do in Iceland where he is a non-controversial god* into safe Loki-spaces are the same trolls who don't accept black people or gays in heathnery either. I am determined not to let them change the meaning of heathen or Asatru to suit themselves. We were here first. I won't let any kind of trolls take over Asatru, not the racists, not the Nokeans, not the anti-UPG'ers, none of them. That's why I admin the American Asatru Association page on Facebook.

That said, if your path is pagan but not heathen, or heathen but not Asatru, or Asatru but you just find the word Lokean more descriptive of your practice, call your path whatever you like.

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Post by Moon Rouge on Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:50 pm

Well said Erin!
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Post by Lokakisa on Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:58 pm

*thumbs up*
Maybe a word isn't really needed. Suffice to say "
I follow Loki"
now. Anything else is just my interests along my spiritual journey.

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Post by erinlale on Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:03 pm

Thanks! Smile

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Post by Darkamber on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:47 am

I only worship Loki, and I call myself a Lokean Pagan, or an old Norse Pagan. Heathen over here in Norway is usually synonymous with Asatru, which I don't identify as.
On Yule Eve ( December 24th) I hold a lightfeast for Sigyn and Her children with Loki, Angrboda and Her children with Loki, Freyr, Thor and Odin.

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